[5:35 PM, 10/18/2016] MD Mawere: You will note that this platform is called Friends of SMM or FOSMM and is dedicated to learn using the facts and circumstances of this juristic person
[5:37 PM, 10/18/2016] James Madamombe: Are you intimidated because you lack the basic understanding of bee
[5:41 PM, 10/18/2016] MD Mawere: This forum was not set up compete but to focus on the mandate
[5:41 PM, 10/18/2016] Shingai Ndoro: You are two days old here. Is that correct?
[6:08 PM, 10/18/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: We shall have the BEE conversation some time and I have already lined up two weeks ago an expert in this matter whom I will be interviewing on BEE and transformation issues. For now let’s stay on course.
[7:26 PM, 10/18/2016] James Madamombe: I just don’t get it…what you are saying is I’m not qualified to talk about bee?
[7:30 PM, 10/18/2016] James Madamombe: Why limit our scope becauseThere nothing wrong discussing black economic empowerment policies of SA and Zim,considering mutumwa mawere you are a product of such policies
[7:32 PM, 10/18/2016] MD Mawere: This is not a Forum for Mawere it is a platform for FOSMM. Let us respect that. You can start another group on what’s up to deal with the important issue of BEE. Thank God we live in a free society
[7:34 PM, 10/18/2016] James Madamombe: K
[7:35 PM, 10/18/2016] James Madamombe: Thank you for the insight
[7:37 PM, 10/18/2016] MD Mawere: Ok tx
[7:39 PM, 10/18/2016] +263 77 223 7930: The need for a properly structured induction process onto this FOSMM platform, as a matter of policy, can never be over emphasised.
[7:40 PM, 10/18/2016] MD Mawere: 👌🏿
[7:51 PM, 10/18/2016] James Madamombe: Thank you for the gesture but I’m not in the business of discussing non existing entities I’m not a historian
[7:52 PM, 10/18/2016] +44 7481 818249: Oookay, so thaaat happened.
[7:52 PM, 10/18/2016] Tawanda Madamombe: Attention seekers 01 – The Journey Smoothnest to ZimdefCorruption 101 with Mutumwa Mawere, Tinashe Mpasiri & Stan aka Dj Wildfiresoundcloud.com
[9:18 PM, 10/18/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: https://m.soundcloud.com/the-1873-network-962541670/01-the-journey-smoothnest-to-zimdef
[11:22 PM, 10/18/2016] Tawanda Madamombe: Any1 who has downloaded??please upload to group
[6:01 AM, 10/19/2016] MD Mawere: Morning
[6:08 AM, 10/19/2016] +263 77 211 8533: Morning Dziva
[6:09 AM, 10/19/2016] MD Mawere: How is Masvingo Mirror
[6:10 AM, 10/19/2016] +263 77 571 8797: Morning
[6:50 AM, 10/19/2016] MD Mawere: [10/19, 6:48 AM] Tapuwa Chitambo: Good morning hon. On the issue of testing the courts on the legality of specifying juristic persons how should we progress. I think our legal reps in the group should start drafting the case.
[10/19, 6:48 AM] Mutumwa Mawere: Morning
[10/19, 6:49 AM] Mutumwa Mawere: Did you follow the thread on defining the possible legal questions
[6:53 AM, 10/19/2016] +263 77 448 0141: Do we have a timeline when these questions be presented for discussion here?
[7:00 AM, 10/19/2016] MD Mawere: [10/19, 6:51 AM] Tapuwa Chitambo: I did and I also understand advocate Thuto is working on those questions. Do we have a timeline?
[10/19, 6:59 AM] Mutumwa Mawere: One the questions we needed to gain clarity on is whether the term used in the PCA – person – refers to both natural and juristic. The purpose of specification is to allow for investigations to take place. If the term is inclusive then there would be no need to go to court to test what is self evident. Dr Magaisa who penned something on the issue is the view that at law the term is inclusive and the research seems to confirm this. This means that we need to proceed to define and refine the problem with a view to answering the question whether in deciding to specify and specifying our friend SMM and related juristic persons the Minister was motivated by ulterior motives or by public interest consistent with the charter for public office. Here we don’t need to be lawyers to determine this but we have to put ourselves in the mind of a layman who is the ultimate employer of Chinamasa. What kind of questions would we need to pose to him
[7:16 AM, 10/19/2016] MD Mawere: @263774480141 have you the link shared yesterday?
[7:23 AM, 10/19/2016] MD Mawere: Here it is. We need to use this to frame our score card whether the actions and choices made by Chinamasa in respect to the affairs of SMM were consistent with what is expected of a public officer or agent as defined in the PCA. We can start with the conduct in respect of the decision to invoke the PCA in respect of SMM. What is our collective thinking hence my decision to share our bilateral conversation so that those among us can step up to the plate.
With respect to our master class we need a prism to judge the actions of public officials. When we talk about good governance and stewardship, what really do we mean?