Unpacking the issue of corruption in Governments using SMM as an example.

Below is how the conversation unfolded on the FOSMM whatsapp group from yesterday, 5 October 2016.
[9:07 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: do u honestly think if we hire the best coo we can get , airzim will get back on its feet?
[9:10 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 72 028 2098: No
[9:11 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 72 028 2098: The system is rotten to the core
[9:12 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 72 028 2098: To foster good corporate governance will require all stakeholder participation and the head of the fish needs to be renewed.
[9:14 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 63 845 6851: Zimbabwe revival is not about best brains…its about uprooting corruption at all levels…..corruption is our worst enemy to corporate governance
[9:15 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Watch Ann7 now.
[9:15 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Please tweet @ann7
[9:15 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: jealous mawarire dd his research l see
[9:16 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Yes. And maths too. Good one.
[9:22 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 73 214 5751: Seems Mutumwa to hear people talking about SMM to agree that there is corruption in Zimbabwe
[9:22 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 945 5116: Repeat ye program what time?
[9:24 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 327 5945: But it’s true a report should come out with the exact figures missing and from which ministries
[9:24 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 73 214 5751: Is Mutumwa saying because its difficult to prove corruption therefore there is no corruption in Zimbabwe?
[9:27 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 248 6483: Transparency international is not transparent…Mutumwa
[9:28 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: amnesia over smm
[9:28 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 327 5945: Lol could there be corruption there too
[9:28 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: It’s an independent Organisation though.
[9:31 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 945 5116: Pankaj, is there gonna be a repeat and if so what time?
[9:31 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Yes sir. Tonight at 10.30 pm
[9:32 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: it was too short
[9:32 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 327 5945: Aaaaa it’s done already
[9:34 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: Mutumwa,the end game is political power,,on point
[9:36 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 945 5116: 
[9:37 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Great debate. Thanks.
[9:37 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: [05/10, 21:34] Shingai Ndoro: My views on the programme

1. I thought the presenter would introduce the issue by asking guests if they have read the TIZ report.

2. The next question would have been if the guests were convinced by the kind of substance evidence if any in the manufactured report.

3. Why was the presenter avoiding the SMM issue that been raised during the programme?

4. Morelife was showing signs hasn’t read the TIZ report and out of depth.

5. Obert Gutu always enjoys to be dramatic and over the top for a lawyer. He was not evidential at all. He was full of hype and fury for the gallery.

6. From interrogating a manufactured TIZ report the presenter has allowed a general discussion on corruption.

7. A corruption report should not be based on desk top research but investigation.

8. Why is SMM being personalized instead of it being taken as a principle of rule of law and a brutal attack on the livelihood of workers?
[05/10, 21:35] Tinashe Mpasiri: 21:10
[9:38 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Thanks for the inputs sir.
[9:38 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: It’s a pity I couldn’t watch the program. I’m hearing though that MM was arguing that there is no proven corruption in Zimbabwe???
[9:39 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: We will discuss it again soon. With more voices.
[9:39 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: The show repeats at 10.30 pm tonight.
[9:39 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: wrong
[9:40 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: my suggestion…. the topic is too broad for 30 mins.
[9:40 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Yes. I agree. But there are time constraints.
[9:41 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: ..i only got a glimpse…but i promise a response if i hear any fallacies on the repeat
[9:41 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: We will try and increase the time to one hour. But trust me, even that won’t be enough for such a robust debate.
[9:41 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Thanks all for the feedback. We are going for a debrief. We will incorporate the points raised.
[9:42 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 74 612 7470: Repeat is a repeat sir. No fallacies.
[9:45 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Can we do another one to talk about what Obert Gutu was talking about? He claims to have personal untested knowledge of corruption. We need it to be openly and transparently tested in the court of public opinion. He also sought to personalise the SMM matter and it is not clear what he has done with the knowledge he has to expose the corrupt.
[9:49 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: or you could look at corruption in the mining sector for astart
[9:50 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: If you have proof bring it on. The more cases the merrier
[9:53 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: chiadzwa trust fund. the president was presented a dummy check on national television but the money was never located its whereabouts.
[9:54 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: That’s true..same case with most community share ownership schemes 24:22
[9:57 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Where is the corruption? And by whom?
[9:58 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: “that amount will come if police decide to teargas Saviour Kasukuwere’s 50 bedroomed mansion”said Temba Mliswa
[10:03 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: I still feel like Mutumwa is hidind something on the Smm issue,,i mean we could be arguing without full knowledge of what really transpired
[10:04 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: G*
[10:05 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 457 3156: Corruption is the order of the day in Africa. From a corrupt police man to a corrupt government officials. My main concern is how do we compact corruption?
[10:09 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: Korean/ Iran/Chinese law on corruption simple like that,it has to be that radical
[10:09 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: these companies were supposed to plough back to the community. they displaced villagers from their homeland and later presented money that was not there. the debate now lies on whether they rilly handed over the money or it was handed over to a thief.
[10:09 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: bringing execution into our statutes
[10:10 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: Proof of state certified corruption is ubiquitous in Zim. Any one cares to know should check:

1. How many farms each of the cabnet ministers and zanu pf politburo members have.

2. Properties owned by former and current local gvt ministers in various urban and rural councils.

3. Reports of the Auditor General and Comptroller on parastatals and state enterprises

4. Drive on Zim roads and be stopped by traffic police

5. Check why the Essar deal at Zisci steel collapsed

6. Check who is/was to benefit from the SI64

7. Check who benefits from Mugabe’s ceaseless regional and international trips.

8. How was alluvial marange diamond extracted and exhausted and where the $15bn is.

Unless we are choosing to be blind to these and many other illicit financial flows; corporate governance problms; and lack of moral and ethical climate
[10:12 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: [05/10, 22:02] Owen Magocha: I am not sure what kind of schooling you went through life but believe me you are blessed with wisdom. You critic and approach to life is very interesting.
[05/10, 22:12] mdmawere1: Thanks
[10:14 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: [05/10, 22:13] Shingai Ndoro: My further views:

1. I wish people take their time to visit the Transparency International website and take notice that it’s reports are based on perception index on corruption not actual incidents of corruption as investigated and confirmed. Transparency International doesn’t have a hot line for whistle blowers neither does it deploy investigators to check and verify reports received.

2. To interrogate the TIZ report as what Mr. Mawere was attempting to do during the tv programme isn’t a denial that corruption does exist in Zimbabwe.

3. As Zimbabweans, we need to be of a questing and questioning tendency so that we are not made to consume even rubbish to placate our anger.
[05/10, 22:14] mdmawere1: Noted
[10:16 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 571 8797: Just a quickie on number 8; was it really 15B? The same man read a speech two times without recognizing his mistake remember!
[10:17 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: there is no such thing as 15 Billion
[10:19 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Wise conclusion. Only wish rationality informs not using numbers plucked from airtime
[10:20 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: How much then???
[10:22 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Hon corruption is not easily reduced to anecdotal evidence. No one denies that the relationship between corruption and public power holders is linear but it requires counter parties who are always missing in our often self-serving narratives
[10:22 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: My concern is not necessarily the quantum of the loot but the act of illicit financial outflows. Whether its 1bn or whatever. Its not about the scale or scalar but the vector.
[10:23 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Something that has no ancestry is and will always remain an invention
[10:23 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: i assume 15bn is based on cashflows that were projected for royalties,taxes and dividends that shld have bn reciepted by the government,ACCOUNTANT’S PERSPECTIVE
[10:24 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: why 15?
[10:25 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: But lets assume theyre cooking figures,,for what reason /purpose,,,mind you these guys are seldom answerable to anyone
[10:26 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Illicit by nature is opaque. Why would you be worried about a loss allegedly caused by a third party’s actions? Are we suggesting that the fruits of labour and private enterprise be a subject of third party harvesting? What would be the legal and constitutional basis of such a construction
[10:27 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 416 7875: Mr Panjak how r u?
[10:27 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: How can you project revenues based on some third party costs and market related revenues?
[10:28 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: The 2015 Auditor General and Comptroller report on state enterprises and parastatals is an official document with lacer analysis of the public finance mismanagement. The report is enough proof colleagues. No one has dared challenged that report.
[10:28 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 416 7875: Is the report available?
[10:29 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Do you expect that any functioning system would have a President whose mind would be occupied with ghosts of money earned from effort and enterprise being stolen by the very party responsible for converting stones that without investment would remain neutral?
[10:30 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: Readily available. All gvt departments and all MPs received. You can get a copy the auditor herself
[10:30 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: Autocorrect typos
[10:31 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: An allegation will remain us such. Evidence needs to be tested in an open and neutral process and tribunal
[10:31 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: The repeat is on
[10:31 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: Ann7
[10:31 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: The auditor general is not a substitute for the courts
[10:33 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: Those that are implicated have not challenged the report simply because they are guilt as charged. If they are innocent let them go to the courts.
[10:34 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Dziva are u arguing that the Auditor Generals reports are mere allegations which are invalid to the extend that the reports are not subjected to the courts?
[10:35 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: An accused has a right to remain silent. I should like to believe that the Zimbabwe of our dreams and the one you are fighting to realize will be an environment in which this right will be respected
[10:37 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Aihwaka Dziva an accused public officer can’t hide behind the right to be silent. Public officials are accountable to us as citizens. Isn’t that so
[10:37 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 257 3823: 1. I like MM’s narrative. Something without ancestry is an invention.

2. The statement was made by the Prez.

3. Has anyone ever followed with the Prez as to who was his source given that he is not in the operational responsibility of accounting for the diamond revenue?

4. Has anyone traced to his source to interrogate and scrutinize how the $15 billion was arrived at?

5. Has anyone cared to interrogate, examine and test to verify whatever evidence so presented?

6. Of all the statements made by the Prez, how come this is the only one that hasn’t been treated disdainfully, mocked and scrutinized? Is it because we are so hungry for bad news that we found something to use to attack the government with?

7. Why is it that there hasnt been persist and fervent calls to do a forensic audit about the Chiyadzwa diamond companies? Is it because we fear that the Prez would be proven to have lied and therefore it won’t save the interests of those feeding off the bad story?

8. Let’s start a campaign not of wanting the $15 billion back but for calling for a forensic audit.

#ForensicAudit4$15BillionNow
[10:37 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: You can’t use it as a political weapon. It is and remains an opinion based on facts available to the party involved but would need to be tested and the state would have the onus of proving beyond any reasonable doubt that an offence has been committed
[10:38 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Hear hear
[10:38 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 556 1928: In our African tradition we call this “hiding behind the fingure”.
[10:39 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: The constitution does not discriminate between a civil servant and others
[10:40 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: i wish l could say it better
[10:40 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Do you believe in the promise of the rule of law and your limits to make serious allegations without any evidence
[10:40 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: That’s a very porous argument Mukoma
[10:41 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 587 5828: the AG s office already has cooked up figures
[10:41 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Even a civil servant is entitled to the same rights like Oscar Pistorius
[10:42 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 248 6483: The companies at chiadzwa like the Chinese, mbada, DMC etc were private entities yet govt parcelled out land (Arda transau) to these private players yet they were supposed to purchase land and relocate the affected people like what murowa did? Why would govt choose to donate land to private entities who had the money to buy land for relocation, how much did govt lose from the rickety deal, who in govt was corrupted by these companies, olit its not corruption, then what is it?
[10:45 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: What kind of Zimbabwe do you want to see? A Zimbabwe where finger pointing becomes a conviction? Some would say that MT is and has been living in a state house without a clear legal basis. Can you see the opposition honestly going to MT to regularise his relationship with the house he calls home?
[10:45 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Thanks Cde Andy I couldn’t have said it better than this. If Chiadzwa doesn’t and didn’t constitute corruption then the “new Zimbabwe” we are debating about is indeed far away
[10:47 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: I want a Zimbabwe where we don’t apply lipstick to frogs and try to sanitise corruption. The Auditor Generals report can not be dismissed as mere finger pointing. It gives a basis for interrogating public expenditure
[10:48 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: The allocation of sterile land to induce investment is unique to Zimbabwe and Chiadzwa. The land must have alternative use and real opportunity cost.
[10:49 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Sterile land? Honestly Dziva is that your characterisation of Chiadzwa.
[10:49 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Indeed you have not spoken about the importance of the rule of law and respect for property and human rights
[10:50 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: What was the land being used for?
[10:51 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Investment which benefits who? I refer you to the reports by the parliamentary portfolio committee on mining so that u can see how the people of Chiadzwa were reduced to destitutes in their own area. The state has an obligation to protect and promote the rights of its citizens against even the so called investors
[10:53 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Land does mutate into food. You can still be poor even with a legal relationship with land.
[10:54 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Mukoma Mawere u have in many cases asked me to read materials on SMM as a basis of our arguments. Can I humbly ask you to read on Chiadzwa tonight and we argue tomorrow. I’m penning off now. God bless you and God bless our Zimbabwe
[10:54 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Thanks
[10:55 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Can you provide me with the areas that you wish me to read?
[10:56 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 77 248 6483: Sterile land? Even an old gogo buys land to build her house at murambinda, gutu, mutoko centre etc, why would govt chose to donate arda land to some Chinese who could purchase land…if its sterile today, does it mean Arda will never have capacity to utilise the land…
[10:58 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: The value of land is complex and it is easy to claim injury on behalf of the creator who must be the first benefactor
[11:02 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: Are you saying this was a rude awakening
[11:04 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: The President has a small mind like mine for him to know about theft of property that he played no part in creating.
[11:18 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: Dziva then we will remain in the vicious cycle were no one is held accountable,because the CEO has a small mind and a short memory,that alone is the reason he must resign to allow energetic individuals who can accomodate enough of important national matters like the loot at the then countries most viable properties
[11:20 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: Did he do the right thing then,,,, or he shouldnt ve announced the figures at all
[11:22 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: He had no business poking his nose and speculating with no better intent than to suggest that were it not for the alleged theft Zimbabwe would be a land of milk and honey.
[11:24 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: I suppose your view is that a product of an election can be equated to a CEO. I am not sure how an imperfect selection process can produce an outcome of merit
[11:26 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: He had no business poking his nose into corrupt activities??
[11:28 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: I want to be clear what we talking about…without misinterprating
[11:29 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: Statehouse is his residence and not a diamond mine.
[11:30 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: But he is also a board member
[11:32 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: He is the one that issues such licences mind you…and given the fact that the institution priorities diamonds to have him seat in approval…wont he be justified in overseeing the whole process
[11:33 PM, 10/5/2016] MD Mawere: How many hours do you give to Mugabe in a day?
[11:34 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: As much as my country deserves
[11:35 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: the CEO illustration is to explain that the buck stops with him
[11:37 PM, 10/5/2016] +263 73 411 3006: An audit is currently being carried out
[11:38 PM, 10/5/2016] +27 84 827 0061: Does this this undo the product of my argument,,that is the man issued the licences,,and has a say on how the stones are being channeled
[11:40 PM, 10/5/2016] +264 81 830 3767: as much as he heads the system which keeps us in this state of crisis
[3:45 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: excellent narrative ! I do believe had we not mibed diamond in chiadzwa this country would hve bn a better place today.
[6:18 AM, 10/6/2016] MD Mawere: [05/10, 22:50] ‪+27 84 098 1281‬: I think we need to be realistic and accept that corruption is a daily bread in Zimbabwe. Let us not debate on perceptions but there is more than hundreds of billions that are in UK and we still say we want evidence. What difference will it make. Thats the syndrome of Africans. Unless we can trust each other we will not make it.
[06/10, 06:11] Shingai Ndoro: What’s this you call “syndrome of Africans”?

Which people “trust each other”?

Do you trust:
1. what you don’t know,
2. what you are not involved in,
3. institutions whose processes and procedures are opaque,
4. when institutions lack accountability and consequences for actions,
5. when mediocrity, incompetence and ineptitude is venerated,
6. when you can notice that there is primitive accumulation through public institutions.

Is our humanity so cheap?
[06/10, 06:12] Shingai Ndoro: Good morning
[06/10, 06:17] mdmawere1: Realism can be self-serving and a convenient weapon to assert absurdities.
[8:17 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Stewie Musarapasi
HELP ME GUYS
What does this Mutumwa Mawere smoking, he was defending the corruption happening in Zimbabwe on channel 405 Ann7 yesterday night.
He stood firm against the report of Transparency International which cited rampant corruption in state institutions and from top government filthy corrupt moguls.
He stupidly denied the disappearance of USD 15 billion which the government confirmed. These are rascals who are daylight blood suckers of the resources Zim have. How can he pretend as if all well nxaaaaaa.
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[8:18 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: This is exactly what I commented about last night!
[8:19 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: M M
[8:20 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 321 2905: @Delight do you have evidence of 15billion disappearing just like that
[8:20 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 321 2905: Where was it and openly speaking can we really say 15billion disappears and it cannot be located in this era
[8:21 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 571 8797: I don’t think he is pretentious about the situation in the country but he is calling for more legit investigations. Like the $15b issue, it’s based on oral evidence. Where are the papers. There’s corruption in Zimbabwe but who’s really investigating
[8:21 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 321 2905: Of such high level of financial intelligence
[8:21 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 321 2905: On point @mari
[8:22 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: Delight did you see the $15 billion
[8:23 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: It’s amazing how people take words from a head of state like bar talk
[8:24 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: What has he ever said that you can take seriously?
[8:24 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: What motivates you to ask me that question?I havent commented on the $15billion saga
[8:25 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Before you ask abt evidence why don’t you question the outlet of the $15billion amount
[8:26 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 571 8797: @263774167875 we want to work with real figures that’s my plea. Something that is proven. Numbers don’t lie but if we are not careful they can be used against us.
[8:26 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Did you ever question the veracity of the $15 billion?
[8:28 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 234 2053: The Auditor General investigates corruption and comes up with reports. Is that not empirical enough. Cdes let’s not sanitise corruption by engaging in seemingly witty scientific arguments. A frog won’t look prettier because it has lipstick on
[8:29 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: He’s the CEO of the nation and in the first world we’d have sued him for more answers, we’re not a compound of hobos where the compound chief high off home made brews can just make unsubstantiated claims. He certainly didn’t dream or make up those numbers
[8:29 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Nobody has sanitized anything.
[8:29 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 313 6670: If we need to solve the the problem we need to find out who are players and drivers of the status quo In our country. If we try to solve the problem from the top we will never find the answers because Mugabe doesn’t have information he knows nothing except the lies he got from those surrounding him. He is just a figure head
[8:30 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 321 2905: Thank you Lovemore
[8:32 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Resent…

1. I like MM’s narrative. Something without ancestry is an invention.

2. The statement was made by the Prez.

3. Has anyone ever followed with the Prez as to who was his source given that he is not in the operational responsibility of accounting for the diamond revenue?

4. Has anyone traced to his source to interrogate and scrutinize how the $15 billion was arrived at?

5. Has anyone cared to interrogate, examine and test to verify whatever evidence so presented?

6. Of all the statements made by the Prez, how come this is the only one that hasn’t been treated disdainfully, mocked and scrutinized? Is it because we are so hungry for bad news that we found something to use to attack the government with?

7. Why is it that there hasnt been persist and fervent calls to do a forensic audit about the Chiyadzwa diamond companies? Is it because we fear that the Prez would be proven to have lied and therefore it won’t save the interests of those feeding off the bad story?

8. Let’s start a campaign not of wanting the $15 billion back but for calling for a forensic audit FIRST.

#ForensicAudit4$15BillionNow
[8:33 AM, 10/6/2016] MD Mawere: https://soundcloud.com/the-1873-network-962541670/the-role-of-corruption-if-any-in-undermining-the-promise-of-africa
[8:33 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: so when the auditor general tells u there is no corruption at nrz you dont believe but when they tell you there is 15 billion missing u believe??? what criteria are you using in arriving to your conclusion? when is the right time to believe and not to believe?
[8:33 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: Where’s Mr. Panjak from ANN7?
[8:35 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: this guy did not listen to the program . advise him to wait for the repeat
[8:36 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: Not even repeat
[8:37 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: I’m resending the audio
[8:40 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: Have u ever seen someone who prepares for the rain season by buying winter gear? Ndozvakaitika nezuro paANN7 24:22
[8:48 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7481 818249: Just looking at Mutumwa Mawere who is reported to be a businessman by Pankaj and why he used squander valuable airtime to expose extreme ignorance with the complicity of ANN7 about how the government is not corrupt operates bogs the mind.

Mawere knew and ought to have known that any admission by President Mugabe in his capacity as the sitting President that he lost $15b means there is no need to look for further evidence of said loss

Where evidence will be required in order to adjudicate the matter, it will be up to the Court to determine.

Mawere’s attempt to suggest that there is no proof of corruption would appear mischievous at best and amercherish at worst.

It was startling that the same Mawere had already been a guest on ann7 on other matters.

What do we learn from the seemingly pro-Mugabe or apologist focus where every Tom and Jack can come up with their own version of Mugabe and how he must not be taken at his word on his government’s wrong doing and ann7 becomes a gullible consumer must inform different strategies.

To allege that President Mugabe must be ignored when he says he lost $15b when there are different actors including Ministers in his administration who are clearly living beyond their means is tantamount to ignoring the true nature of government.

I have no doubt that there would be no benefit in any anti-corruption actor seeking to respond to a intellectual absurdity.

Even ANN7 should know better that no President would make such an admission without merit and Mawere’s valiant defence of the indefensible is meant to achieve nothing but advance insults to our intelligence.
[copied from @Mutumwa’s evisceration of Chinyoka’s appearance on ANN7]
[8:50 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Trust and confidence comes from INTEGRITY of individuals and institutions involved.

Can anyone tell which public figure and public institution has INTEGRITY.

Every Saturday and Sunday we consume poison as a staple diet from some charlatans to trust and have confidence in some authorities and traditions without questioning and even blinking.

We are made to be off guard about our own sovereignty, agency and power of causation.

We are made to be submissive, compliant and obedient without scrutiny.

We brutally punish those who dissent and reward those surrender individual sovereignty, agency and causative power.

MM exercised his sovereignty, agency and power of causation in business, and he was vengefully and brutally attacked.

Imagine the energy applied to attack MM was the same that our governors would apply for their INTEGRITY.

There are no consequences about the Auditor General’s reports.
[8:51 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: For a leader of the country to come out in public that the government lost $15 billion that on its own is proof that something went wrong. It was not like you or me who announced this. Yes a more investigation is needed but the bottom line is $15 billion disappeared.
[8:53 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: I agree, for a sitting president to announce as such he would have seen enough evidence. Why he does not want to make the evidence public is the million dollar question.
[8:53 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Did I hear MM defending the indefensible? No.

I heard him questioning the veracity of the report and why the same organization, TIZ, was silent over the SMM saga.
[8:54 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 234 2053: In the absence of alternative empirical research yes I believe the data provided by the AG.
[8:54 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 571 8797: True
[8:54 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: Well said.
[8:55 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: I hope Mr MM doesn’t think he can build a crusade or political movement sorely for the purpose of recovering assets acquired under questionable if not corrupt means. The more and more people see and hear MM hijack a national conversation for personal purposes the more they’re likely to question his motives and mental status….
[8:55 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: What we should be calling for is for the President to come out with what evidence he saw for him to announce that $15 billion was missing.
[8:55 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 571 8797: It’s fun how people agree with the President on the issue of the 15b but when that same person talks of introducing bond notes you say he’s out of his mind. I’m just wondering.
[8:56 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 83 471 9873: Is SMM the only reference point in the entire country that warrants a comparison ?
[8:57 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: So for you that MM is a victim of lack of the rule of law, he should be like sheep?

It’s a serious allegation that you make that MM acquired and built his business interests corruptly.

What evidence do you have to support yourself?
[8:57 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: These are two incomparable matters my friend
[8:58 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Yes it’s not and let those equally affected come out in the open.

MM isn’t a trade unionist for those who were equally affected.
[8:59 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: If the state recovers ill gotten loot zvinenge zvavharana…*this is not a bootlicking charade zve*
[8:59 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: I never said I agree with the President. All we need to know is what made him announce that $15 billion is missing. If it’s not missing why did he announce it? We just need to understand obviously he knows better.
[9:00 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 234 2053: With all due respect this argument is, fun
[9:00 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Let’s push for veracity of the claim by having a forensic audit.
[9:01 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: But out of the numerous cases post colonial is it a sim to ommit questioning abt SMM
[9:02 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: There is no one pillaring you for questioning.
[9:03 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: Last night’s discussion promotes more discussions and also shedding light on many matters that aren’t looked into.

For instance Hon Gutu mentioned that during his tenure as deputy minister of justice, He compiled reports on cases of corruption, which he gave to his boss who did nothing about it, yet we have organisations like TIZ which he highly regarded as doing so much in the fight against corruption.

I’m sure that these reports could have been more effective if they had been also shared with TIZ in bringing to light all these issues.
[9:03 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: Reading thru this conversation I can safely say high literacy rate doesn’t entail high intelligence
[9:03 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Lets not be bookish about it. Biti mentioned that royalties from diamond ventures where not trickling to fiscus during his tenure as MOF
[9:04 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: Let’s push for the President to explain why he said that, what he saw, what he heard exactly for him to announce that.
[9:05 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Asking for a forensic audit doesn’t invalidate what Tendai Biti said. He should also have called for it.
[9:05 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: It’s just like when President confronted SK do you think he had enough evidence for him to base his confrontation?
[9:05 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: We shouldnt even push him, that is his moral duty to explain and take action. The buck stops right there
[9:05 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 571 8797: I’m not rubbishing what he said but at least can we have a report. Do you have evidence to challenge anyone in the court about the 15,b?
[9:08 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: I strongly feel the report is there already, and the report exposes a lot the underworld diamond dealings and this will never ever be public knowledge. Pushing for an audit would be a waste of time. They will come up with nonsense to cover up.
[9:08 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 83 282 5190: I think the 15bn issue is not an accusation but was an admission from the head of state. So now the issue is for the him to clarify what he meant and how it happened.
[9:09 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: Exactly
[9:10 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: I agree with you.

But what if it’s an under statement?
[9:10 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Does HE have time for reading reports now that he is always air bound
[9:12 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: HE is briefed
[9:13 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: What is the reason for diamond companies consolidation?
[9:16 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 73 149 5724: Alternatively Whatsapp your email address to Nelly on +263778208442. Zimbabwe needs its youth to have COURAGE
[9:19 AM, 10/6/2016] +44 7720 778370: If HE was briefed by someone, that someone was reading from somewhere, We want to push for details of that briefing lol.
[9:19 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: 
[9:20 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 83 282 5190: In all this defending and counter accusations… what is the way forward?? We will talk and study reports and gather facts to what end? How do we save our nation? We need to start talking sollutions. Mugabe wont be here in 15yrs and l think he is now irrelevant to us mapping the way forward
[9:25 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: The same with TIZ, we want details of the ancestry of this $1billion
[9:33 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 739 9197: Thank you Tinashe Mpasiri for sharing the audio. You’ve appealed to me as a seasoned journalist judging from your conduct.

May I implore you to invoke your investigative journalism on @27832692874 The man speaks as though his family and loved ones are under siege. It is so apparent that he speaks against his will and is obviously taking media centre stage to get the attention of his persecutors.

His arguments are baseless, unfounded and illogical yet he has some tremendous energy to speak against what he believes in.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise that his mouth is very far away from where his heart is.
[9:34 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Connect dots to HE and make him answerable not the pedestrian on the street. If he cant be answerable the constitution has a remedy to that
[9:34 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: Truth
[9:41 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Remember TI’s reports are about perception not investigation-based ones.

Some of the anger against TIZ is arising from lack of INTEGRITY of a public institution, the Anti-Corruption Commission.

Let’s direct our energies in building #AlternativeSolutions.

Assume there is no RGM and ZANU PF tomorrow. How should things be done differently? There should be momentum about ideas on HOW to do things better to push ZANU PF to be responsive and reformist or alternatively to have another political party to contest viably.

This is the biggest challenge for the educated Africans.

We are good at cursing darkness but can’t light the candle.
[9:51 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 234 2053: Its incorrect to say TIZ reports are based only on perception. TIZ uses the corruption perception index as a methodology but also investigates some cases. Their state of corruption report for 2015 includes the evidence on investigated cases. It’s also incorrect to say TIZ has no hotline. 793247 is their hotline. Also visit their website tizim.org
[9:52 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Can you characterize their methodology in producing their reports.
[9:52 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 416 7875: I repeat
[10:00 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Resent…

So for you that MM is a victim of lack of the rule of law, he should be like a sheep?

It’s a serious allegation that you make that MM acquired and built his business interests corruptly.

What evidence do you have to support yourself?
[10:02 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Resent…

Yes it’s not and let those equally affected come out in the open and be heard.

MM isn’t a trade unionist for those who were equally affected.
[10:12 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: welll said
[10:13 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: iwe wakaipa iwe. very true
[10:21 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Welcome Mr Mteliso
[10:21 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 78 334 9857: I got so disturbed yesterday listening to Mawere defending serious corruption that has brought our country to it’s knees, honestly do people we used to so much esteem and look up to play such cheap politicking ant the expense of of lives? Should this be tolerated? Unless Mr Mawere you are a direct beneficiary of the corruption that has been going on for decades
[10:24 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: My side of the story. …. Believing 15 billion announced by the president is allowing ur mind to be diverted into trap he so wishes to set. ask yourself, what was the motive behind in announcing that figure. Did you ever try and find out how that figure was calculated? dont you think if proper audits where done in every sector the figure could have been way higher? lnstead of focusing on where evidence lies, we allow ourselves to be diverted to the diamond sector where there was no proper documentation of mining proceeds leaving ailing parastatals where corruption is rampant and there is evidence.I shall repeat and pliz mark my words, the 15 billion saga is a political investment ….. There shall never be change in this country till we learn to seperate politics from reality.
[10:24 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Did I hear MM defending the indefensible? No.

I heard him questioning the veracity of the report and why the same organization, TIZ, was silent over the SMM saga.
[10:28 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: did you listen to the whole program?
[10:28 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 84 827 0061: DO GUYS HEAR UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY IS $15 BILLION??
[10:29 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: tell us how much
[10:30 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 78 334 9857: His rantings were not warranted ,it’s uncalled for he was behaving like some youthies who sings for his supper and makes jokes to get breakfast, MM you have your monies and never allow your person to be that compromised to an extent of not speaking your mind, that surely wasn’t you talking
[10:30 AM, 10/6/2016] Gift Ziziva: I saw your post on Facebook
[10:30 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 78 334 9857: Whose post cde
[10:33 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 737 5296: Mapantsula and Mteliso in one room
[10:33 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: lets argue with facts. maybe l understood wrong. what l understood was politicians just pick their areas of interest that will gain them personal/political ground and ignore serious matters that will benefit them nothing
[10:33 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Did you by any chance consider my msg, Sir?
[10:33 AM, 10/6/2016] Gift Ziziva: What u saying is rhetoric either appearing to be economic logic.

That figure was 1st announced by biti well back.
Its revenue money not a bulk pf hardcash that was taken out of zim..
The gvt announced that coz they felt betrayed by the chinese
[10:34 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: if they felt betrayed by the chinese do you think they will still be here by now ?
[10:36 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 84 827 0061: 15 Billion is what Botswana makes in 8 years of mining…now tell me does Zim have more diamonds than Botswana to make so much in 4 years
[10:37 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 84 827 0061: 15 Bil is also equal to our gdp
[10:37 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 78 334 9857: That’s Mr Mugabe’s stance always each time he feels betrayed he plays his blame game, remember soon after his 15 billion announcement he rushed to sign fake deals I’m Japan which never materialized, this gov has to be accountable period and not have the MMs of this world defending nonsense
[10:38 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: l like ur line of thought. it is very necessary to question the origins of that figure. l would want to see how Biti arrived at that figure when he says he had no access to the fields.
[10:40 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: lets stick to facts. speculations is an excellent breeding ground of falsehood.
[10:42 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 737 5296: Lets not allow ourselves to make excited utterances motivated by grapevine understanding of the status quo. Forward leaning discourse is always cultivated in facts. Otherwise all else is rumour mongering
[10:42 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: 
[10:50 AM, 10/6/2016] MD Mawere: Please join a discussion on corruption revisited dealing with the Zimbabwe conundrum and the ideas around building a Zimbabwe of promise.

Please tune in to www.the1873fm.com
[10:50 AM, 10/6/2016] MD Mawere: Please join a discussion on corruption revisited dealing with the Zimbabwe conundrum and the ideas around building a Zimbabwe of promise.

Please tune in to www.the1873fm.com at 11:10am today.
[10:52 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: 1000*$15,000,000
[10:52 AM, 10/6/2016] Tinashe Mpasiri: It’s a lot of money
[10:53 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 83 471 9873:  What started as a noble discussion has degenerated into 15 billion saga. It’s so funny that almost every info we are sharing is not our original content. We heard from someone. In the same manner We also heard about SMM no one was there save Mr Mawere. How then do we come to the conclusion that we need evidence for 15billion when there is no evidence to dispute it

I think to PPle here who “believe “the figure is not 15billion then show us the evidence to dispute it.

It’s all hearsay yet we are selective in our approach . No one knows how the figure was calculated it’s all rumours and gossip.

Accept authority and dispute it with evidence .

Irony everywhere
[10:54 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 735 0451: Jonathan Moyo reburies Gukurahundi slain father
HIGHER Education minister and Zanu PF politburo member, Jonathan Moyo’s family has sought permission from the Tsholotsho district administrator (DA) to allow them to rebury his father, who was allegedly killed during the Gukurahundi massacres.
The family wants to be allowed to exhume the remains of Moyo’s father, Melusi Job Mlevu, so he can be accorded a decent burial at the family shrine in Tsholotsho.
The process is being led by Moyo’s close family members, with the reburial tentatively set for this weekend in his Tsholotsho North constituency.
Mlevu, who was a PF-Zapu councillor, was reportedly abducted by the Fifth Brigade in 1982 and ordered to dig his own grave before he was killed in cold blood and shoved into the shallow grave.
He became one of the earliest victims of one of the darkest chapters in Zimbabwe’s history.

Moyo’s family recently sought permission to conduct the reburial ceremony from the DA, Gloria Raundi.
“As the Mlevu family, we, therefore, seek your approval for the reburial of our late relative and former councillor for Tsholotsho, Melusi Job Mlevu, who passed away in 1982,” read a letter to the DA dated September 28 and signed by Headman Mlevu, which was gleaned by NewsDay.

“His remains were buried between Kapanyana and Ziga. As a family, we want to properly rebury the remains where we have other family graves according to our cultural practices.
“The reburial will be open to members of the public and, if permission is granted, we will notify your respectable office of the time and date.”
Moyo yesterday confirmed Mlevu was his father, but professed ignorance over the family’s letter to the DA.

“I don’t know what you are talking about regarding the letter you are referring to, since I am neither its author nor its addressee,” he said in emailed responses.
“I don’t even know whether there’s such a letter and if there is, whether it’s authentic. But what I can say is that Melusi Mlevu, whom you mention, is not just a close relative, but my late father.”
Asked if the move was not likely to open old wounds, Moyo said: “I’m, therefore, insulted by the suggestion that finally giving him a decent resting place at his homestead would open any wound. To the contrary, the shallow grave in which his soul has failed to rest in peace all these years after he was tortured and made to dig it in the bush, before he was brutally murdered, is an open wound that needs to be closed.”

Moyo has repeatedly refused to be silenced over the thorny Gukurahundi issue, despite efforts by his Zanu PF colleagues to close the chapter without addressing the issues.- newsday
[10:58 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 456 0075: Welcome Mr Musarapasi to the knowledge bank
[10:59 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: this is not true. we have people here
[11:03 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Thank you
[11:03 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Mr. Beñge
[11:20 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Is it a correct characterization that this as Friends of SMM, this group seeks to be a collective affirmation of the Principle: “No person can be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.”

This is achieved by:

1. Identifying with the sovereignty, agency and power of causation of the builders of SMM and its related business interests;
2. Advancing the enforcement the rule of law, for the lack of it an attack on human civilization; and
3. Holding our governors accountable for their actions that affect the right to own and control own property as an expression of inalienable or natural human rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
[11:26 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: HELP ME GUYS

What does this Mutumwa Mawere smoking, he was defending the corruption happening in Zimbabwe on channel 405 Ann7 yesterday night.

He stood firm against the report of Transparency International which cited rampant corruption in state institutions and from top government filthy corrupt moguls.

He stupidly denied the disappearance of USD 15 billion which the government confirmed. These are rascals who are daylight blood suckers of the resources Zim have. How can he pretend as if all well nxaaaaaa.
[11:27 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Did I hear MM defending the indefensible? No.

I heard him questioning the veracity of the report and why the same organization, TIZ, was silent over the SMM saga.
[11:28 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: “A free society could only flourish if its leaders are virtuous—which means that its citizens must be able to recognize virtue when they see it. They understood that even virtuous leaders, however, can succumb to the temptation to abuse the rights of others, so they knew these leaders needed to be restrained from exercising their cleverness and strength in ways that undermine individual rights…

Freedom would depend on citizens remembering that government derives its authority from people who consent to give it that authority, and that it therefore must work to serve the common good, treating every citizen equally. Freedom depends on citizens who care enough about preserving it to really evaluate the people who run for office, and to elect those who demonstrate wisdom, restraint, and personal virtue. Most of all, freedom depends on citizens having the wisdom, courage, and sense of justice necessary to take action when they see government overstepping its bounds.”
[11:34 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: He openly rubbished the report of Transparency International on corruption of Zimbabwe citing its a body of whites bla bla
[11:34 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Did I hear MM defending the indefensible? No.

I heard him questioning the veracity of the report and why the same organization, TIZ, was silent over the SMM saga.
[11:35 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: He was naive just to agree tht corruption is at alarming levels
[11:35 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Are you able to provide the methodology of TIZ reports?
[11:35 AM, 10/6/2016] Stanley: Log on to www.the1873fm.com
[11:36 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: He needs to represent Źimbabweans on those platforms
[11:37 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Not this hogwash he always try to potray
[11:37 AM, 10/6/2016] Stanley: Who is a zimbabwean
[11:37 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Every time he is on that program
[11:38 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Which is hogwash is this?
[11:38 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: He benefited à lot on the lootings
[11:38 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 327 5945: Do you have solid evidence of that
[11:39 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 83 471 9873: Perhaps ask Mr Pankaj the criteria of selecting panelists
[11:39 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Oh my goodness.

Are we this cheap to make such serious allegations without a due process or evidence?
[11:39 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: SMM saga was an infighting of Zanu Pf moguls
[11:40 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Next time he needs to show Zimbabweans much respect
[11:40 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: Who was the rightful owner of SMM?

Did that owner lose it through a due process of law?
[11:40 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Hope you are not his puppet
[11:41 AM, 10/6/2016] Stanley: What is your point
[11:41 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 327 5945: Who’s puppet
[11:41 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: on this platform we dont speculate. can you provide evidence of your claims. we are also not here to insult but provide facts
[11:41 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: He was on the other faction and the SMM was grabbed
[11:42 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: I just came for few minutes
[11:42 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 587 5828: enlighten us on the factions that existed
[11:42 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 63 132 5878: Next time he must respect Źimbabweans
[11:42 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: People of this group are nobody’s puppet. Even our parents don’t own us.

We have sovereignty, agency and power of causation.

We relate with fellow human beings on a mutual basis.
[11:44 AM, 10/6/2016] +27 73 508 6905: School us on how respect can be applied in the absence of the truth.
[11:44 AM, 10/6/2016] +263 77 257 3823: He has left the group.

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